geoffda wrote:They are fundamentally the same turn; really the only difference is whether the turn is brushed or edge-locked. Short turns always involve more counter-acting (which is why it appears as though your body will always be facing the fall line). "Face your bases" applies for CA regardless of what kind of turn you are doing. With an arced turn, immediate CA will ensure the femoral rotation caused by your tipping does not interfere with a clean edge engagement. In BPST, since you aren't trying to hold a clean edge, failure do do this isn't necessarily going to mess up your turn. That said, if you are lazy in your BPST, it may come back to bite you in your arced turns. Strive for the same simple movements regardless of what kind of turn you are doing.
You'll tip less with a BPST because you aren't trying to get edge lock, so the amount of counter-balancing required will be less. Both turns involve a foot pullback, but the effects are slightly different. In BPST, the foot-pullback actually creates torque that will help draw a flat ski into the turn (along with gravity). In an edge-locked short turn, pulling the free foot back facilitates tipping it on edge and it clears the leg out of the way so you can move your hip down and forward into the turn. Whether you tip to an edge or hold a flat ski, the pullback itself is the same movement.
If you've mastered the movements for BPST, you are already well on your way to carving high C. Just continue tipping through flat and engage the inside edge of the free foot. The stance foot will follow. That's it; all of the body movements are the same. The only decision you have to make is edge locked or not.
This is the beauty of PMTS. You use the same movements all of the time, regardless of what kind of turn you are making. Short, medium, long, arced or brushed, it's all the same.
The difference between BPST and an arced short turn is that BPST is "bullet-proof". Arced turns are lots of fun and they feel great. But they have limitations. They involve higher speeds, and require (at least for most of us) smooth snow conditions. The steeper the slope, the more skill is required to stay in control. Most of us have a steepness threshold beyond which we can't (or won't) arc. So the BPST is what you pull out when it gets steep and/or gnarly, or when its too crowded to arc, or when you just don't want to go that fast.
To answer your question about Harb Carvers, you can only practice arced turns. The wheels aren't intended to allow slippage. But that doesn't matter; what you are really practicing are the core movements that unlock every turn.
noobSkier wrote:Does your fore-aft balance have to be much more precise in a brushed carve vs an edge-locked carve?
noobSkier wrote:In my brushed turns however, a loss of fore-aft balance always results in a skid.
h.harb wrote:Geoff hits it out of the park with this explanation. It's not about comparing yourself to the super stars that have natural ability and talent that less than 1 % of the population has, develop your own movements and skills. Use all the difference variations of tipping, they all come from the same order of movements in PMTS.
rossymcg wrote:h.harb wrote:Geoff hits it out of the park with this explanation. It's not about comparing yourself to the super stars that have natural ability and talent that less than 1 % of the population has, develop your own movements and skills. Use all the difference variations of tipping, they all come from the same order of movements in PMTS.
There's a school of though that says there's no such thing as natural ability and talent, only very hard work and the right situation(IE good coaching) a book called Bounce and the talent code are a good read regarding this theory.
Max_501 wrote:That is one of the symptoms of pushing the tails to juice the turn.
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