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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby NoCleverName » Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:09 pm

I was wondering how you might practice steering, extending, and leaning on the slantboard. :)

... actually, this is almost a serious question. It occurred to me that if you can effectively practice the same essentials at speed zero that you will use in actual skiing, there must be something to them that they will work across the entire speed range.
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby h.harb » Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:27 pm

Yes, the slant board, there goes the PSIA argument that they teach balance in that system.
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby h.harb » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:14 am

Get on the slant board and try extending, leaning and steering. Make sure your insurance is current.

The least expensive way to improve your skiing, build a slant board and do the exercises.
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby Bolter » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:16 am

A Timberline Ski Team Coach took a slant board to the Ski School boot-up room/meeting place and guess what happened? The instructors that were willing to experiment and get on it, quickly found that extension to release and the "leap of faith" move did not work. The Training Sup would not get on it and I know why. The movements and maneuvers that he clinics would be put into practice in a situation that highlighted the inherent problems of TTS. TTS has imbalance built into it, the slant board exposes this weakness.

With minimal coaching the instructors found basic correct movements to release- flex and tip; then balance on the new ski- upside down. Early CB, WOW!

You can not help but make the correct moves on a slant board. If you don't, you fall over. CA can be missing but it really makes CB easier if it is there.

Our Team built ten of them, we began the season with everyone using them. For many kids, the slant board is a part of their daily practice.

Just like video . . . "got slant board?"
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby h.harb » Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:33 am

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Bolter is right on, slant board is too reveling and exposes weaknesses; not good for PSIA technique. It's just like trying to get a PSIA guy to ski "on one ski", it's reveling of their weaknesses, like balance, CB and Fore/aft. Funny that they have not heard of the essentials, yet, well of course not, because most of them don't have any. Think about it, they don't use tipping, they don't CB and they don't like or understand CA.
They do have extension and flexing however; but it is done at the wrong time, and it's backwards.

The only Essentials they use, are the ones Rogan demonstrates in Ski Magazine. LOL and I don't mean, "lots of love"!
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby geoffda » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:30 am

Bolter wrote:A Timberline Ski Team Coach took a slant board to the Ski School boot-up room/meeting place and guess what happened? The instructors that were willing to experiment and get on it, quickly found that extension to release and the "leap of faith" move did not work.


They tried to do WHAT with a slant board? Isn't that illegal in West Virginia?!! :lol:
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby Erik » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:58 am

geoffda wrote:They tried to do WHAT with a slant board? Isn't that illegal in West Virginia?!! :lol:


Illegal? This is West Virginia. Timberline has runs called "White Lightning" and "Dew Drop". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonshine
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby HighAngles » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:05 am

This one is scary and funny at the same time.

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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby nipper » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:57 am

That is beyond scary. Mind you, he is a top level 4 BASI instructor. Says it all really
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby go_large_or_go_home » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:47 am

Try reading some of his articles...classic case of skiing one way and coaching something completely different. The only consistency between the two is that it's all cr@p...
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby suxsusy » Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:20 pm

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgdicrgDLS4

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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby JohnMoore » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:35 am

go_large_or_go_home wrote:Try reading some of his articles...classic case of skiing one way and coaching something completely different. The only consistency between the two is that it's all cr@p...


Yes, unfortunately the BASI stuff is about as far away from PMTS as you can possibly get - really wide stance, twisting, steering, pivoting down the mountain. It is absolutely not the way I want to ski, but it seems to be completely unquestioned in Britain.
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby skifastDDS » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:20 pm

HighAngles wrote:This one is scary and funny at the same time.


What's scary is that people actually get paid to teach that garbage. Incredible. My jaw literally dropped while watching that video.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference."
-Robert Frost, "The Road Not Taken"
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby HighAngles » Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:30 am

For those of you have attended camp and reviewed ski video together for MA, watch this and you'll really appreciate just how much better PMTS coaches are at MA versus this so called "expert" skier (a CSIA L4).



In fact, don't watch all of this video - you will need to expunge your mind if you accidentally take it all in!
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Re: Come on, Man!

Postby h.harb » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:20 am

Truly amazing how little these people know about expert skiing. They are teaching people to be become, permanent mediocre skiers. And alignment gets thrown out the window. They can't even tell the difference between one ski turn and the other, in peoples turns.
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