This is pretty much a re-hash of what's already been stated on this forum. My only disagreement with Geoff is with the initial fit. For me, the boots were incredibly tight. However, I have very flat feet that spread like pancakes when I step down. As a result of this constant expansion/contraction I pack-out liners pretty quickly. So, within 3 days the Dodge Boots were incredibly comfortable.
Meanwhile, this is a review I wrote for the boots on a different blog. It's much less technical. Bottom line: Best boots ever and totally worth the cost.
Dodge Ski Boot Review
Just for comparison, I’m including my stats for context.
Height: 5’ 11”
Skiing Level: Advanced (unless I’m with Harald or any of the PMTS coaches!)
Skis: Head TT80 170 cm; Head Monsters (old version) 170 cm
Feet: Very Narrow (low volume) Size 12 - very flat-footed
Old Boots: 2005 Nordica Doberman 150 (re-worked to soften)
Background / Skiing Experience
Grew up in New England and raced as a junior from ages 7-12. Stopped skiing when family moved to Florida. Moved back to Vermont and skied from age 16-20. Then moved to California and only skied 1-2 days a year for the next 25 years as career, family, kids, etc took precedence. Then, in 2001, I tried out some shaped skis for the first time. My love for skiing was immediately reinvigorated. I started skiing about 30 days per year and joined a Masters Racing Program at Mammoth. Took both racing and PSIA lessons where the coaches and instructors encouraged me to widen my stance, get square to my skis and a dozen other things that totally screwed up my skiing -- which resulted in sore knees and sore lower back. In 2005 I attended my first Harb/PMTS camp and have been re-learning to ski ever since. I’ve attended 6 camps. I no longer suffer any of the previously mentioned physical ailments from skiing.
My current goal is to rid myself of all “equipment excuses” and to continue to improve my technical proficiency through efficient and bio-mechanically correct body movement patterns.
Most skiers have several equipment issues that prevent them from making the correct movements. The issues range from boots, alignment, stiff skis, wrong pole length, etc. In my case, the Nordica boots had me too far forward negatively affecting my fore/aft balance.
Purchasing the Dodge boots and having them properly aligned is, what I believe to be, my last equipment issue.
My fitting is conducted at Harb Ski Systems in Dumont, CO. on Dec 9, 2010, with Greg (staff) and Chris Brown, shop manager. It is pretty straight forward with very little adjustment required. Only one “hot spot” on the right boot just under the bottom buckle (the pointy bone at the bottom of the 5th metatarsal). The boots feel incredibly tight. I am suspicious of the sizing, but simply “go with it.” I am attending a PMTS camp, so I know that Harald Harb and the coaches will be able to take a look at my alignment and fit -- and fix things on-the-spot if needed.
The first thing I notice is how light weight these boots are. Riding the chairlift it is immediately apparent that I’m not hanging a couple of “boat anchors” off the lift. On the very first run my fore/aft balance is definitely better and I’m feeling more of the ski underfoot when carving.
On subsequent runs, I notice it is much easier to tip the skis. Tipping is snappy. Again, I believe this is due to the low weight of these boots. Nonetheless, they still feel very tight. I loosen the bottom buckle at the end of every run. I am still suspicious of the fit. However, it’s close and I’m confident that with a little re-work, everything will be fine.
Today the boots feel a little better. The “hot spots” are much less severe. I am still learning how to get in and out of them. There is a heel channel which makes things easier once you learn to use it. With my Dobies, I had to put on the liner and then slip into the shell of the boot. It was never easy.
On the hill I continue to notice how much easier it is to tip the skis. The free foot almost feels too “grippy.” Harald tells me the way to control this is to not tighten the boots too tight. That works.
The PMTS camp coaches watch our videos at night. As such, they, along with Harald pay particular attention to my alignment and make a few shim adjustments under my right boot as I am knock-kneed. Harald also makes a cuff adjustment for the same issue.
O.K. today these feel very different. They are very comfortable. I believe this is because I’m beginning to “pack-out” the liners. Within two runs the hot-spots are gone. My flat-feet tend to expand and contract with pressure. When I step down, my feet are like pancakes. This is having an obvious effect on the liners and they now feel much more molded to my feet.
However, about mid-day I’ve begin to notice that my left heel is getting a little numb. Not sure why. It is highly unusual. Even in my Dobies, I never had any issues with my heels.
As I’m about to put my left boot on, I reach my hand inside to feel around and see what might be causing the issue with my left heel. Aha... What I find is the liner fabric has somehow become loose and stretched out and is bunching-up around my heel when I put the boot. on. I ask Harald about it and he immediately decides to replace both liners. However, they need to be ordered.
That’s actually a good news / bad news scenario. On the one hand they need to be replaced. On the other hand, these boots feel better and better each day as my feet “pack-out” the liners and the boots become very comfortable. I’m not looking forward to breaking-in the new liners.
After a total of 8 days in them, I feel the Dodge Boots are incredible and well worth the $1,500 price tag... if you have the right kind of feet.
The Dodge website proclaims that most people may be underwhelmed at the performance of the boot … until they slip back into their old boots and feel the difference.
This was not the case with me. I felt the difference right away. I felt the difference just walking around in them. I felt it on the chairlift. And, of course, a HUGE difference on my skis especially in the fore/aft department.
Also, at the end of the day my knees, ankles and other lower joints all felt great. I am assuming this is the result of having lighter weights on my feet. Us "older" guys take this into consideration!
There is no question in my mind that this is the direction of ski boots. From a marketing standpoint, they are lighter and easier to maneuver than standard boots. The temperature does not effect the shell allowing for easy entry and removal of the foot. Also, because the materials are unaffected by temperatures, they maintain a consistent stiffness and
flex on the hill. Finally, after a minor “break-in” period, they are incredibly comfortable.
If the pricing comes down, I believe ski boots made of this material will simply explode onto the marketplace.
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