John Mason wrote:In my opinion after disecting it at length, his perfect turn description is a late transition. The slowing down of the movement of the CM down the hill that occurs naturally at the bottom of the turn, is the only momentum his movement pattern has to get the CM to cross the skis. This is talked of as a positive attribute of this turn over there. I look at it as a negative and a lack or acknowledging the need to keep the CM moving down the hill even though the turn is ending.
In any description of the two movement patterns I have tried over on epic, that compensates for this slowing down of the CM, that helps accelerate the CM to cross over the skis in such a fashion that the high part of the C of a new turn can be carved is shot down. Or, it's acknowledged then described back to me with attributes that don't match the effects of these two methods.
mechanic wrote:John,
Which is more efficent the sp or the weighted release? Which is more versitle? Why do you like the sp over the weighted release?
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John Mason wrote:Obviously this is simple on the hill to see. If, however, I do exactly what is described in BB's perfect turn, I'll have a far from perfect turn. IMO
Ott Gangl wrote: If you don't have Bob Barnes' book "The Complete Ecyclopedia of Skiing" third edition, which is sold out, in a couple of month his fourth edition of the book is coming out and you can order it from amazon.com and take a look. It is not a how-to book, it is a technical encyclopedia.
Ott Gangl wrote:John, the 'perfect turn' you are hampering on is just 'a' turn that can be easily taught to skiers, it is the lite version of high end or racing turns, a turn that can be learned and performed by the average housewife or junior high kid, the lesson takers in America. BTW, I don't think it is a PSIA sanctioned turn, it is an Epicski Academy turn as I understnd it.
Ott Gangl wrote:And I'm not sure that you know what a stem is. A stem is the INTENTIONAL displacement of the UPHILL ski by brushing the tail of that ski out and placing it on the inside edge while DOWNHILL SKI is still on the inside edge, thus momentarily having both skis on their inside edges.
There is also a dowhill stem, called ABSTEM, which was used just to set the inside edge of the downhill ski hard and rebound off of it to throw you into the turn. It was used in the 60s to get those long stiff skis to break lose and go into a prallel skid.
Nobody stems anymore, the vast majority of skiers on the hill ski parallel (stemming is not parallel skiing). Losing the edge of a ski so the tail slides out is not stemming, it is just losing the edge. Stemming has to be intentional.
Ott Gangl wrote:Everyone is learning, and at the ETU they would look at your skiing and put you with a coach that will teach you what you don't know, and since it is a student centered teaching environment, you would also get what you wanted. But should you want to go with eski's group to zipperline steep icy moguls which abound in Stowe you have to be reasonably sure that can keep up with the group.
....Ott
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